Upgrading from JVManager ™ - not Fantasos ™

[Michael Hobach]

Is the upgrade script compatible with JVManager ™ ???

If not, is there a way to upgrade the database to Fantoasos ™ first and then to JVManager ™ ?

I would hate to have to run both systems just to maintain old customer records!

Can I install Delavo ™ on the same host without worrying about overwriting anything from my existing JVManager ™ installation which is live and taking orders?

Thanks in advance...

[Michael Hobach]

I have my JVManager installed flat - not under cgi... that's why I'm wondering the file structure it creates through the install - would it overwrite some of what I've got installed now?

I own the server it's on and we do nightly backups, etc. So I could just install it and see if it breaks anything with JVManager - I always seem to make more work for myself though...

[Brian Collins]

I have my JVManager installed flat - not under cgi... that's why I'm wondering the file structure it creates through the install - would it overwrite some of what I've got installed now?

I own the server it's on and we do nightly backups, etc. So I could just install it and see if it breaks anything with JVManager - I always seem to make more work for myself though...




Providing you install Delavo (TM) in a sub-directory below the public_html there should be no issues, I examined that issue myself and say that JVM-1 uses it's own affiliate tracking which is different from the one that Delavo (TM) uses and they do not share any common directories.

After posting last time, I went to check on the upgrade from JVM-1 to Fantasos (TM) - no longer available.

What I am advising my JVM-1 clients is to leave things alone with JVM-1 for now and do any new packages/products/memberships in Delavo (TM) and worry about transferring the JVM-1 stuff over later (if at all),

I have found that having a new system forces me to have a good clear out anyway - and importantly leaving existing systems that are taking care of business well alone and only change/upgrade them if I have no other choice.

Brian

[Michael Hobach]

I'm still torn about moving things - I've got about 100 packages over at 1-shopping cart dot com that I need to move and cancel that service - it's been months of procrastination... maybe I knew that there was something better coming out and that's why I waited...

But I have about 20 some packages including membership site subscription setups that I would like to have in the new system - guess since it's that few I can manually migrate them, and deal with support issues later...

Let me ask you a question since you have the new version installed... one of my biggest headaches with JVM1 is when someone needs to have the download link reactivated - I have to go into the database and manually add the records to get it to work... is there a menu item or function in the new system to handle that? Only real issue I've had with it...

Oh one other issue - when using the shopping cart, coupons don't work for individual packages or items in JVM1... and the autoresponders aren't sent the signup emails either. So using the cart is more difficult to work with.

[Brian Collins]

I'm still torn about moving things - I've got about 100 packages over at 1-shopping cart dot com that I need to move and cancel that service - it's been months of procrastination... maybe I knew that there was something better coming out and that's why I waited...

But I have about 20 some packages including membership site subscription setups that I would like to have in the new system - guess since it's that few I can manually migrate them, and deal with support issues later...

Let me ask you a question since you have the new version installed... one of my biggest headaches with JVM1 is when someone needs to have the download link reactivated - I have to go into the database and manually add the records to get it to work... is there a menu item or function in the new system to handle that? Only real issue I've had with it...

Oh one other issue - when using the shopping cart, coupons don't work for individual packages or items in JVM1... and the autoresponders aren't sent the signup emails either. So using the cart is more difficult to work with.


Hi Michael,

When moving any products - the main concern is always the links you have out there on sales pages etc. - if you have controlled your links from sales page to shopping cart it is not a major issue to change them - if you have affiliates it is a different proposition.

I have done testing on Delavo (TM) but none of the download links have expired yet :-) - but when you are in the admin of the script you would re-activate a download link from the sales record - I will be able to say for definate only after one of my download links expire in around another 36 hours.

There is no shopping cart function with the free version of Delavo (TM) or coupons functionality, autoresponders will need a system at the other end that will accept an e-mailed subscription by the server i.p. address (This is NOT how aweber works and is against their T.O.S.).

Brian

[Michael Hobach]

Brian,

Thanks for the info - I'm not sure that the cart or coupons is an issue right now. I'm using an A/R on my server so I don't use the external ones - another reason I've put off getting off of 1-shopping cart - I have so many A/R sequences that I would have to create and/or move.

And I'm sure just like with JVM1 they will come out with a new version of Delavo that will cost $$ and have all the features we need.

BTW - I do believe in the concept of centralization - I have everything in one place for the most part.

I'll make sure that I also do a local backup of files from JVM1 and I'll install Delavo later tonight...

[josh brent]

autoresponders will need a system at the other end that will accept an e-mailed subscription by the server i.p. address (This is NOT how aweber works and is against their T.O.S.).

Brian


wow... are you serious?

I haven't begun the switch to delavo yet and having read this I'm not sure I will. What you are saying is that it will work with aweber urls but I will be breaking their TOS? I'm confused as to why this is the way the implementation has been added, what with aweber being one of the most commonly used mail services.

In JVM I have aweber accounts on auto subscribe... am I already on the wrong side of the tracks by doing this? :)

or is it just something new in Delavo.

I really don't want to have to stop using aweber... that's a bigger change than moving to Delavo for me.

Brian, do you know if there will be solution to this soon, that will allow aweber to be used?

If not, which responder services are being recommended?

Thanks for any light shed on this disappointment.

[Brian Collins]

autoresponders will need a system at the other end that will accept an e-mailed subscription by the server i.p. address (This is NOT how aweber works and is against their T.O.S.).

Brian


wow... are you serious?

I haven't begun the switch to delavo yet and having read this I'm not sure I will. What you are saying is that it will work with aweber urls but I will be breaking their TOS? I'm confused as to why this is the way the implementation has been added, what with aweber being one of the most commonly used mail services.

In JVM I have aweber accounts on auto subscribe... am I already on the wrong side of the tracks by doing this? :)

or is it just something new in Delavo.

I really don't want to have to stop using aweber... that's a bigger change than moving to Delavo for me.

Brian, do you know if there will be solution to this soon, that will allow aweber to be used?

If not, which responder services are being recommended?

Thanks for any light shed on this disappointment.


Hi Josh,

Delavo with the appropriate plugin will not break the T.O.S. of Aweber but with the basic version it only comes with the ability to add subscriptions via e-mail in the same way as JVM-1 - if you have been using JVM-1 and Aweber to do this then - technically - yes you are breaking their T.O.S. as JVM-1 is sending the subscription with your server I.P. as the the registrant I.P. - check a bunch of your subscriber e-mail address.

The way I have always advised clients that use JVM-1 and Aweber is to publish an inline subscription form on the thankyou page of JVM-1 instead and get the user generated subscription from there.

Without the Aweber plugin for Delavo that would be the same advice I give.

Brian

[josh brent]

Thanks for the response.

Are the plugins that are being so heavily discussed as coming, already here?

Are they the fantasos ones?

Is there a place that they can be obtained right now?

I appreciate your time.

Thanks.

[Brian Collins]

Thanks for the response.

Are the plugins that are being so heavily discussed as coming, already here?

Are they the fantasos ones?

Is there a place that they can be obtained right now?

I appreciate your time.

Thanks.


Hi Josh,

As of yesterday, the plugins to bring everything in Delavo to the last version of Fantasos is available - I got an e-mail through the Delavo list - John has said that the link will not be available on line so I cannot paste it here.

The e-mail was entitled:

I'm not Cameron Diaz... About DELAVO Plugins

In the same e-mail, John has intimated that those plugins will be available shortly in smaller chunks also soon.

Brian

[josh brent]

Thanks, I got the email, skimmed but obv missed info, need to go back and read in full.
Thanks for taking the time out to respond.

[Michael Hobach]

Hey guys - a couple notes here about what we've been talking about...

First - I installed Delavo on the same host as my JVM-1 without a problem.

I decided not to even worry about what was on the JVM-1 side for now, but I'm starting to move things over to Delavo already...

AND IT"S AWESOME!!!

The only thing that I'm really missing right now is the Authorize.net option - this might be the only plugin that I buy - time will tell though

Two - I customized the templates and it is helping a lot with image - I do need to get some logos for the SSL and other customer confidence concerns, but it's up!

I thought I would share it here as I know that some are struggling - it's not that difficult!

http:// - my cart with updated graphics

http:// - the first site being moved over to Delavo - products are still being moved so you might see a JVM-1 order link if you look at it before I finish my work today...

And what I really think is neat is that you can put those sales letters into Delavo directly without hosting them on some other domain - it's awesome for PLR products and giveaways!

Here is a link I sent out yesterday to my list using this 'feature' - and a sniplet from the Email...

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Ok - lets make some money!

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[bud roberts]

As I read here, there is NO way to transition files from JVM1 to DELAVO, except by manual means? Any chance this will be addressed in the near future?

[Michael Hobach]

Sorry - the link doesn't have to be the ssl link -

==> http:/com/2/4rq/

Actually I found that using the https link prevents a lot of people from seeing the page...

Now if only there were some tracking or statistics built into the basic system... but I'll bet we'll be able to buy a plugin for that sometime soon... lol

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[Brian Collins]

As I read here, there is NO way to transition files from JVM1 to DELAVO, except by manual means? Any chance this will be addressed in the near future?


Hi Bud,

It would be great if there was, I asked about this in the Fantasos forum a few weeks ago but as yet no answer.

Brian

[Michael Hobach]

I'll bet some enterprising coder could make a few bucks if they developed such a utility... or offered such a service!

I have both running on the server and since the Emails that go out from each one includes links to the needed login / cart / download page, I suspect that there wouldn't be an issue...

I just accept that I was using a first-generation platform and I didn't upgrade when it was offered a while back - so I just need to deal with having two systems until the end of the useful life of the data in the JVM-1 system...

[Brian Collins]

I'll bet some enterprising coder could make a few bucks if they developed such a utility... or offered such a service!

I have both running on the server and since the Emails that go out from each one includes links to the needed login / cart / download page, I suspect that there wouldn't be an issue...

I just accept that I was using a first-generation platform and I didn't upgrade when it was offered a while back - so I just need to deal with having two systems until the end of the useful life of the data in the JVM-1 system...




Hi Michael,

John did have an upgrade service available for JVM-1 to Fantasos so it is in theory possible - no pressure Mr. Delavera ;-)

Brian

[Michael Hobach]

I learned a long time ago that you pick your apps by what they do right now - not what might be promised, or implied. No dig on anyone, just good business...

For now I will slowly move things to Delavo that make sense for using Paypal - as soon as I can pick and choose plugins I will spend some $$...

In the mean time I'm going to promote what John is doing...

Mike

[Hue Anne]

No, You cannot upgrade from JV Manager 1 to Delavo.

Ir is not possible.

You would first need to upgrade JV Manager to Fantasos
and then to Delavo.

If the option to upgrade frm JV Manager to Fantasos is
still available (which I think it is not), the fee is $197.

Then you would need to upgrade to Delavo. However,
I am not sure if you would get the full functionality of
Fantasos v1.18 by going this route.

Donna